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Monday, July 04, 2005

Lessons To Learn

[Ed: I hadn’t been arsed enough to reflect upon my experiences and knowledge infusions at Ed Con – until now. (Technically, I started writing this post a bit ago but never tied it up til now.) So here you go – retrospectively speaking.]

Update: Dear Nic has very expertly and kindly fixed up my template so that it shows as it should, on IE. Much gratitude and kudos. :)

For all the horror stories I’d heard about the screaming matches between “evil right-wing neo-cons” and “crazy ludicrous lefties” at many an ed con, today actually went off to a pretty good start.

I was particularly impressed by the candour of Roger Cook, the inaugural president of the AUS (Australian Union of Students), when he shared his own experiences as a student activist, and – more importantly – his insights on the way forward for the student movement, in an impending age of VSU.

What touched me about his speech was – his honesty in the admission that the activists of his time had “thrown away the baby” by focusing too much on lobbying, and neglecting to make the (then) AUS more relevant to students.

He was not the only one to emphasise on the practical, day-to-day benefits for students for the continued survival of the student movement. Even the media representatives from the West Australian and [another media house which escapes me], who presented a media workshop, stressed the importance of delivering the student discounts and other visible benefits, in keeping the connection alive between students and student representatives.

I think this was an extremely useful nugget of advice for all student activists, particularly at a time when the very existence student organisations is under siege.

Personally, I feel that the real issue of the whole VSU scandal (yes, scandal) is that of silencing the student voice – extinguishing political dissent. More than just being an all-too-familiar phenomenon back home, the increasing shift towards social conservatism – the kind that uses stability or security (take your pick) as a pretext for quelling “inconvenient” political expression – which is amassing increasing momentum in major western “liberal democracies”, forces me to think harder about the roadblocks and pot holes on the bumpy road for social change. And democracy.

However, the vast majority of constituents – oh how I hate the word; they are humans with dignity and voice, not political commodities – do not relate to the politics nearly as much as they do to the pragmatics of representation and advocacy. People need to see the tangibles.

I recognise the necessity in being responsive to those we claim to represent, inasmuch as it may be an inevitability in the course of delivering the real product: advocacy.

I inevitably drew connections between the Australian student movement and the much, much broader, global one that Student Rights Watch may potentially grow to be an integral vehicle of.

It’s difficult to say anything now, because we’re barely even done drafting our constitution – which I see still many inadequacies in – but, there are many aspects which cannot be generalised between a national peak body and an international rights lobby NGO of sorts. Membership. Funding. Organisational structure. Decision making. The advocacy itself. There’s more.

Nevertheless, I believe the way in which SRW may be made relevant to students is different in different socio-politico-cultural contexts. Heck, I think it’s in fact necessary to be agilely responsive to the various situations we will inevitably be faced with.

Yes, there is much work to be done.

And I am excited about the challenges – and change – ahead of us.


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Blogger rench00 said...

"However, the vast majority of constituents – oh how I hate the word; they are humans with dignity and voice, not political commodities – do not relate to the politics nearly as much as they do to the pragmatics of representation and advocacy. People need to see the tangibles."

I thought that you would have realised this some time ago, coming from Singapore. It's something that I've come to realise as well. That to interest Singaporeans (or anyone for that matter) in politics, one must make politics relevant to the humdrum of their daily lives, rather than as some abstract notion of civil liberties, etc.

"inasmuch as it may be an inevitability in the course of delivering the real product: advocacy."

I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Have we wondered why we want advocacy in the first place? Just for its own sake? Then it is useless.

IMHO, advocacy, freedom of speech, etc, is so as to reduce the possibility of having anyone being left out, of being marginalised, of being oppressed. How do we measure oppression? I suggest using tangibles. If everyone in a society is fed, clothed, housed, free to choose, etc. then I'd say that that society is free from oppression.

But such an ideal society will never be. To be free from oppression of poverty, Singaporeans forsook the freedom of expression. Perhaps to have the freedom of expression would end up consigning a sector of our society to poverty. Is that what we want?

My point therefore is that while we spread the idea of advocacy, of human rights, of liberal democracy, we MUST always be conscious of the welfare of the people. In pushing for all these lofty ideals, we must be sure that it indeed does bring about TANGIBLE benefits to the PEOPLE. Or at least be able to create a future where the PEOPLE will be able to reap the TANGIBLE benefits of the realisation of these loft ideals.

I guess we should all think about this:
What use is advocacy and democracy if not for the TANGIBLE benefits to the lives and future of ordinary PEOPLE? Hence the real product that we should be delivering is not advocacy as you have mentioned, but rather the TANGIBLE benefits to the PEOPLE. (or, in the real world, to as many people as possible...)

4/7/05 10:55

 
Blogger rench00 said...

Actually, I say that there is nothing such as being free from oppression. Man is born free but is everywhere in chains. It is just a matter of how you prefer to be chained up and what you prefer to be chained up to.

Personally, I still feel that advocacy, democracy, whatever, is needed only so that we can allow the greatest number of people, present and future, the ability to be materially well off. And so it is perfectly fine if Singapore doesn't have democracy, if and only if, it can retain its current model and still be able to gaurantee a stable, prospereous present and future for as many people as realistically possible.

Now the big question is whether the current model of Singapore actually ensures/allows that. Or is it time to change because the system is no longer working and the government does not have all the answers?

5/7/05 04:20

 
Blogger rench00 said...

Yes. All endeavours should result in an improved quality of life for an increasing proportion of the population.

It's not about depoliticisation (gosh what a long word!) or not. Politics is merely representation of different points of views. So it can still be political if 2 groups have vastly different view points of economic develoment (say... privatisation as opposed to nationalisation) and when these 2 groups vie for dominance and control of the nation based on their views on economic development, then they become political (a la Labour and Tories in UK).

So, it is still very much political.

And I won't think of it as us playing on the government's turf, but rather wresting control of what is now their turf but should and would soon be OUR (i.e. the people's) turf.

If I'm not making sense, pardon me. I just woke up.

6/7/05 13:07

 
Blogger Beach-yi said...

Eh quuite presumtious of you leh, if people choose to be not live a life driven by materialism, how leh.

Quality of life can be solely measured by the whether you can afford to buy the next nokia phone? Is that your definition?

6/7/05 13:42

 
Blogger rench00 said...

it is not a life driven solely by materialism, but that at least the greater majority of people must have their basic material necessities.

and so my difinition of good quality life is that i must AT LEAST have proper nutrition, roof above head, safe (i.e. don't have to worry about being mugged or shot whenever i step out of my house). and more importantly, that my children, and their children must be able to have these basics as well. and in essence, once i have these basics, i'm quite happy already. (perhaps can throw in a good wife... but that's an extra bonus. if have good, if don't have, what to do?)

would you force other people to give up all these basics just so that YOU can express yourself?

so it goes back to the premise that expression, advocacy, democracy should not be the end in and upon themselves, but should go toward building a society that gives the greatest proportion of its members good lives, however good lives are defined.

do we necessarily need democracy to do that? do we necessarily need to allow people to freely express themselves to achieve such a society?

6/7/05 15:30

 
Blogger Beach-yi said...

Easy, if you want to force people to give up expressing themselves in exchange for some arbitary measurement of a basic standard living , if possible those people will leave, given that if the majority cannot accept such deviance. I do not subscribe that there is a benevolent dictator, please point out one example in history for me.

And I am sure you have heard of this: democracy may be the worst system but it is the one that worked so far, Churchill anyone?

6/7/05 19:01

 
Blogger rench00 said...

doesn't mean that it will always work. and doesn't mean that we won't evolve a better system.

i don't think many people will care whether they can speak up or not. most people will rather just go on with their everyday lives, so long as they are full, clothed, warm, have a roof over their heads and safe. heard of the silent majority? yar... they are still the majority.

6/7/05 19:53

 
Blogger Beach-yi said...

So, by that extension, what makes the opinions of the majority right?

6/7/05 21:13

 
Blogger rench00 said...

yes... i've heard of tyranny of the masses. and the masses are stupid. an individual separeated from the mass is intelligent. but put a whole lot of these intelligent individuals together to form a mass, a mob, then all of a sudden, they become stupid. it's a well researched pyschological/socialogical fact.

and that is why democracy, while it works, might not be the best way to go. it was democracy that led to the rise of hitler.

would you protect the minority if it means sacrificing the majority? give you a hypothetical case. say a country is afflicted with a new strain of virus. the scientists came up with a vaccine. in order for the vaccine to work, everyone must take it. however, the vaccine will kill one third of the people who take it. would you, as the government, enforce that everyone takes it, thus killing one third of the population to save the other two thrids? or would you protect the minority, sacrificing everyone?

dulce et decorum est pro patria mori. sweet and fitting it is to die for the greater good. horace i think it was who said it.

and i think the best form of society is the one in huxley's Brave New World. it's aligned with the wisdom of Lao Tzu, who in the Tao Te Jing said, that a good government should fill the people's stomachs and weaken their wills.

will we sacrifice beauty and happiness for a bland contentment that is free from suffering? will you if that's the only way to stop 30000 children from dying of malnutrition everyday?

i am not arguing against democracy. i agree that that's the best system that we have now. what i am questioning is whether or not we can develop a better system. and whether we, in the pursuit of democracy, are missing the forest for the trees, and ending up pursuing democracy for democracy's sake.

so, what exactly is democracy for? can we achieve those same ends without democracy?

i'm a bit drunk now. just got back from Mambo. let's take this in good spirit of kopitiam talk. :)

7/7/05 07:26

 
Blogger rench00 said...

actually... sorry about this... but i just thought of something...

why can't we just be ants? or bees? or develop some kind of a hive mind? perhaps a gaia model (a la Isaac Asimov's Foundation series).

but seeing as that won't happen in the near future, perhaps the challenge of any society would be: how to go about pursuing the greatest good (defined in the widest sense, materially, spiritually, intangibly, etc etc) for the largest number of people, while protecting the rights of the minority at the same time. and if you throw in international relations, and take into account the world as a whole (i.e. environmental issues which affect the whole world), then well... it's a damn complex mess.

so in the pursuit of democracy, let's bear in mind that it is an exercise in governance. and governance is complex. can't always let people have their say (seen monty python's life of brian? watch it and you'll know what i mean...). but must still let people have their say when possible.

so who wants to govern? who wants to fight for a better world? best be damn sure you are wise! (that naturally excludes me...)

still drunk. going to sleep now. :)

p.s. this is fun. we should all meet sometime for coffee. or tea. or whatever. :)

7/7/05 07:43

 
Blogger Beach-yi said...

The problem is you drunkard, that you insist on foistting your idea of a ideal society upon others. That, in your stupor, asserted that all masses are stupid, certainly in MY opinion, the masses in Singapore are quite stupid right now.

And sacrificing for the greater good? Tell me what is so good about doing that...you get some sort of perverse pleasure in doing that? How do you derive the utility function of satisfaction for that??

Are there 3000 children dying of malnutriution everyday in Singapore or are you prescribing having a strong government and weak people for countries afflicted by that? To my best of knowledge it has only brought much of misery to the people, hmm see Zimbawe.

Alas to answer all your points made in stupor can only be foolish, so I leave you with this: Who watch the watchers?

7/7/05 09:06

 
Blogger garota said...

... and the moderator steps in and says, "thou shalt remain civil in discussions on thy (comments) field."

7/7/05 09:27

 
Blogger garota said...

nevertheless, rench, juzhen, beach-yi - this debate has been one of the most fascinating (on this blog anw); feel free to keep going (or not). i should be posting a post and maybe even a comment (!) in the (relative) near future. :)

ps. last day in perth. boo.

7/7/05 09:34

 
Blogger rench00 said...

i think people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for other people are noble, not perverse.

and i'm not the one who initially claimed that the masses are stupid. it's documented in socialogical and psychological research. google "Mob Mentality" and you'll see enough examples of how stupid a crowd can get.

the reason why there is much suffering in africa is, according to World Bank experts, the lack of good governance. and guess who they hold as a shining example of good governance? Singapore. representatives of the World Bank has expressed that the problems in Africa will be solved if it had a government that follows the principles of governance of Singapore.

in what ways did i force anyone to accept my idea of a perfect society? i merely expressed what i think is a perfect society and expressed a little of why i think it is a perfect society. accept it or not, it's up to you.

btw, churchill, whom beach-yi quoted, was a well known drunkard. so was li bai. conclusion, state of soberiety is no reflection of intelligence.

7/7/05 12:36

 
Blogger garota said...

so many things i could say, and i shall attempt to cut it all down to one: that the argument of human well-being dichotomised under tangible (eg. in measurable units of wealth, employment etc) vs intangible (eg. civil liberties), i feel, is - with due respect - somewhat pointless for 2 reasons:

i) human well-being will ultimately need to take both tangibles and intangibles into consideration; the question being to what proportion. and this value is likely to vary according to different socio-political contexts.

ii) arguing from one side or the other will offer no conclusion because the basis for such arguments are necesssarily ideological (at least to a large extent) and thus likely to be irreconcilable. i qualify this statement, though, by saying that this further depends on the nature of the ideologies involved in the argument.

what isn't pointless, then (IMHO), may be the question of the extent to which a govt is relevant to, and reflective of, a people's desires. (without excluding minority/marginalised groups from "people".)

ok, that was a bit of a long point. loved this discussion though. and guys, please don't apologise for this. i am only too happy that my blog encouraged some debate.

8/7/05 02:49

 

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